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Reply by Mark99
10 Apr 2021, 12:23 AM

 


I find that video, reading, posts, blogs, etc. All are part of my grief journey/work. That seems so counter intuative because it just opens up my wound though, I believe my grief wound is where light, knowledge, and understanding enters me. My memories dance and become bigger and more beautiful.

It is less about tammping down the pain or stopping the tears. Crying seems less about the hurt and more an exercise in cleansing  feelings and emotions. They fall and I see them knowing I'm making strides in recognizing the love we had had and that will always be. I like know Donna is watching me to contiue to grow into the man she loved into being.

I want to hit on the topic of this thread, "...how do I know". I think being here sharing so open and honestly is ok. Feeling all you are feeling is ok. Crying is ok. Learning and not pushing it down away is ok. It will never be ok. We walk with our grief our person not as a burden or in pain but in love. Donna is my there for me. Being here sharing helping each other is kind of like the words we say out loud and shared takes the puzzle of our feelings and offers a narrative for us to see and others to see. Just writing this I am learning. Friday nights hurt me because that was our night to put the week away. My pain is abject today. Yet being here is helping me.

Finally, for me closure is denial. Closure is indifference. I will not do that to Donna or my memories. Yet I live and try to be me for me for Donna. Peace out You got this I see your warrior.  

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Reply by Pammie
13 Jun 2021, 6:14 PM

Hello Donzo, 


I've been meaning to reply to your initial since Katherine had pointed it out to me. I felt at the time that my thoughts were not yet clear and coherent enough to do justice to your insightful comments.


Like you, and Mert I think, I have done a lot of pre-grieving and I feel that that has certainly helped me on this long and arduous journey of healing after the death of my husband and life-mate.  This was his 2nd cancer. The first was slow growing, could not be cured but was always there waiting for another shot of treatment when it grew too large. In other words, there was always an axe hanging over his head, possibly waiting to fall. We lived that way for many many years, growing closer and stronger with this shared knowledge of his battle. Then 5 years ago when he got another and very aggressive cancer which metastasized as predicted, we started on that final 5 year journey. The final year treatments were no longer working and finally in October we came home from the oncologist with the writing clearly on the wall. We had sort of expected it but when his " death sentence" was passed ( I'm so sorry but we can do nothing more for you) It was the absolutely worse moment of my life. We came home, laid in bed and held each other btightlly and bawled our eyes and souls out.
And so we set about the next few months he had left to be with each other every moment in hospice at home, crafting our love moment by moment into a beautiful thing. We went nowhere during the pandemic,  did nothing else but loved each other as we met all his needs at home.  So yes we actively and at a deep core level we "pre-grieved". And although a lot of days my heart feels raw and bleeding I am hopeful that I can and will move forward. 


Pam
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Reply by donzo
13 Jun 2021, 9:36 PM

Hi again,

I just thought I would follow up on my post from 3 months ago.  I am now 6 months in since I lost my wife to cancer.

I don't think I ever really felt like my original question was solved for me.  The question of "how can I know if I'm doing well, or am I just hiding from grief?".  And the "when is the time to consider seeing a new prospective romantic partner?".  The best answers were all along the lines of "only you can know" or "you'll know when you know".  But I accepted the "be careful", "go slow" comments.

I also realized that it is unfair to expect a perfect answer to the question, since every one of us has a unique journey although it is through a common landscape that we share.

I have joined a very robust widowers' support community on Facebook and they have been very helpful.  It is a men-only group and I think that lets the guys there talk a little more openly about what they are going through than a mixed gender group.  Men being men and kind of shy about being men in front of women.  It is a very supportive group and really I think the best thing I could achieve given the realities of COVID and that face-to-face support groups aren't a thing right now.  The group is run by Herb Knoll, the author of Widower's Journey.  The book is ok, the group is better in my opinion.

I also got a few rounds of grief counseling from a hospice counselor.  She was helpful.  Not amazingly helpful but good - nice to have someone to bounce your thoughts off who has seen this kind of thing before.  She did have some useful insights, but more importantly she had a good ear to talk to.  Unfortunately I could only book one session a month with her.  I looked into finding a private grief counselor but never pulled the trigger on that.

I am still a little incredulous about my progress.  I am doing well.  My grief has faded to a dim ache and the occasional sad trip down memory lane.  But my thoughts of my late wife are more smiles-tinged-with-sadness now, rather than the crying bouts they used to be.  I have two teenagers and they are doing ok.  They
support me just as much or more than I support them.  I have a theory that having school-aged kids makes it easier to work through grief because it gives you a reason to keep living a normal life, to put supper on the table, to pretend to be strong (usually).  It makes wallowing pretty much impossible.  And I think that helps.

But also I have continued to stay in contact with my old friend who I felt a romantic interest in.  About 2 months ago I went on a date with her and it was good - comfortable and friendly.  Since then due to COVID restrictions we have not seen each other again but I am talking with her several times a week.  Having this has helped me as well, to think about the future as much as I think about  the past.  I worry about whether I am ignoring or masking my grief, and I try to "stretch" my grief muscle often to explore how I am feeling, and it feels like
 I am authentically doing well.  I reassure myself that I am not forgetting my late wife, and not ignoring her.  My new friend is very understanding and willing  to hear stories that include my late wife.  Which is wonderful since clearly she was the most important factor in my life.  How could I talk about myself without mentioning her?

My feelings and thought patterns have definitely changed over the last 3 months and I am sure they will continue to change.  But the core of who I am is unchanged and that gives me a confident feeling that I am on good footing with knowing myself.

I feel like an oddity... as through other resources or forums it seems that many people do not do as well as I am after only six months.  However, I feel convinced that it is genuine, I am not fooling myself, I am just damn lucky!  Sometimes I still feel survivor's guilt, but I will take my new normal over the pain of the first few months any day.  I feel I have successfully transitioned from a "we" to a "me".  I am standing on my feet and able to make decisions and keep the household functioning, be a good Dad and still be able to plan for the future.  I know I have many "firsts" this year still to come that will likely crush me momentarily, but I have confidence I will recover and carry on.

What do you all think?  Anyone buying this?? :)

Donzo

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15 Jun 2021, 1:45 PM

I have been thinking a fair bit about your post Donzo. In part because your experience is not that different to my own. My husband too had serious health concerns for several years - he and I talked openly about life as well as end of life. Mind you it wasn't easy when life was ending for him and our life together was ending. I remember him telling me, 'I know you will be okay.'  As you say all of us have a unique story and I think so much plays into the how and why of our response. 

I was prepared for the 'firsts' but often it was those unexpected things, music, memory, or something unknown that would push grief to the forefront especially in the early days. 

Three friends and I were talking and walking on Saturday (first 'legal' day here in the midst of covid and we savoured it!) about intimacy and what we missed now we were all single. We all agreed that seeing someone holding hands - especially an older couple - is one of the things that warms our heart - but also reminds us of what we don't have.  Glad you are enjoying the company of the FB group and a friend you can talk and eat with. 

Thanks for reminding me (however unintentionally:) Donzo and giving me things to chew on. 

Katherine
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Reply by Mark99
15 Jun 2021, 2:42 PM

Katherine

At times lost in my own thoughts I don't realize no matter how much we all grieve differently there are common elements shared.

Seeing others holding hands is one for me as well. sigh I too see what is absent in the presence of others love.

Thank you 
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Reply by Pammie
15 Jun 2021, 4:33 PM

For me a common element I too share in is that I no longer have that shared intimacy of the warm little touches with my parther, the meeting of our eyes in mutual recognition,  the hug, holding hands, touching, walking arm in arm.... 
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Reply by Mert
15 Jun 2021, 5:06 PM

I've been on my own for over a decade and I still have that little tug on my heart and bolt of something like envy when I see older couples holding hands or in other small ways telegraphing understanding and intimacy between them.  It's a sudden longing for what might have been.

Donzo, I'm 'buying it'.  We're all well prepared, I think, to help people recognize how ridiculous it is for workplaces or social groups to allot a certain number of days for grieving and then expect the bereaved to behave as if nothing has happened.  "You should be over it by now" is an arrogant and hurtful judgement, potentially adding guilt and shame to the burden of grief the person is already struggling under.  So also then should we beware, I think, of making judgements at the other end of the spectrum: telling people that they're not grieving deeply enough or long enough, or not grieving the right way. Your way is right for you!
It sounds to me like you're doing a good job of self-monitoring; we all need to keep an eye on what we're doing and why!  But that's not the same thing as second-guessing which  sometimes leads us to question ourselves to the extent that we impose the judgments of others on ourselves and our actions. "To your own self be true" has gone from Shakespeare to cliche but it's still a pretty good rule to live by.  So I'd say keep doing what you're doing (the men's grief group sounds great!!); and keep tending the best support group of all, the circle of love that is you and your children (and with good friends forming a circle around that core of caring).

Mert
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Reply by AnneMcGrath
16 Jun 2021, 12:54 PM

Hello, the first month was very bad for you because you lost a loved one after such a serious illness. But I think you got better because you let your wife go to a better world, she is no longer suffering here, and her body sleeps peacefully. Even though you are over 50, you still have a lot of time to live a happy life. Your wife will always live in your heart and your memories, I'm sure you have beautiful children who need support right now, they may not show it, but they need attention from you right now. Stay close to them and live happily with fond memories of your wife!

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Reply by Mark99
16 Jun 2021, 4:29 PM

I just remembered this from CS Lewis's Essay A Grief Observed. One of the first reads following Donna's death and someone who got what I felt and saw. This quote has struck w/me ever since and fits with the entire seeing couples together. 

'To some I’m worse than and embarrassment. I am a deaths’s head. Whenever I meet a happily married pair I can feel them both thinking. 'One or other of us must some day be as he is now.’ 
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17 Jun 2021, 2:28 AM

Thank you Mark99.
Katherine
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